is vmware used in customer development purpose?

[shivaraj]

Hi,
I have a simple question on microsoft cluster on vmware. As I know
windows cluster and exchange cluster (EVS) can be installed in vmware
setup, for test purposes, is it ever used in development site? Will
there be any customers using vmware exchange cluster setup for there
development purpose?
Regards,
Shivaraj

[Neil Pike]

Test - yes. Development - yes. Production - don't know of anyone doing that
myself...

Post by shivaraj
I have a simple question on microsoft cluster on vmware. As I know
windows cluster and exchange cluster (EVS) can be installed in vmware
setup, for test purposes, is it ever used in  development site? Will
there be any customers using vmware exchange cluster setup for there
development purpose?
Regards,
Shivaraj

Neil Pike. Protech Computing Ltd
http://www.linkedin.com/in/neilpike

[Oliver Moazzezi [MVP]]

I know someone that installed it into production. Total horror story on what
this company did. Not only were the cluster nodes virtualised, they hosted
multiple VM's on the actual servers that had the cluster node images on
them..

Suffice to say it was total s**t, and I would have fired whoever it was that
designed it and signed it off for production :-)

Dev and Test labs only!!

Oliver

[Leezy]

so... does this means its a "BIG NO" for Cluster on VM Server?

but, every one is moving into VM now days ...

Post by Oliver Moazzezi [MVP]
I know someone that installed it into production. Total horror story on
what this company did. Not only were the cluster nodes virtualised, they
hosted multiple VM's on the actual servers that had the cluster node images
on them..
Suffice to say it was total s**t, and I would have fired whoever it was
that designed it and signed it off for production :-)
Dev and Test labs only!!
Oliver

[shivaraj]

Post by Leezy
so... does this means its a "BIG NO" for Cluster on VM Server?
but, every one is moving into VM now days ...

Post by Oliver Moazzezi [MVP]
I know someone that installed it into production. Total horror story on
what this company did. Not only were the cluster nodes virtualised, they
hosted multiple VM's on the actual servers that had the cluster node images
on them..
Suffice to say it was total s**t, and I would have fired whoever it was
that designed it and signed it off for production :-)
Dev and Test labs only!!
Oliver- Hide quoted text -

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Thanks for your inputs.
Even I came to know from some other sources that no production
environment will have exchange on vmware.
Cheers,
Shivaraj

[Niclas Eriksson]

Hello shivaraj,

We have almost every server virstulized in VmWare ESX and don't see any problems.
We don't have all the Exchange servers virtual but all the FE servers are
VM's and one BE server, no cluster though so I can't say anything about that.
But be sure you have performance enough. For instance we have all our DC's
as VM's, haven't seen any problems.

/Niclas

Post by shivaraj

Post by Leezy
so... does this means its a "BIG NO" for Cluster on VM Server?
but, every one is moving into VM now days ...

Post by Oliver Moazzezi [MVP]
I know someone that installed it into production. Total horror story
on what this company did. Not only were the cluster nodes
virtualised, they hosted multiple VM's on the actual servers that
had the cluster node images on them..
Suffice to say it was total s**t, and I would have fired whoever it
was that designed it and signed it off for production :-)
Dev and Test labs only!!
Oliver- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Thanks for your inputs.
Even I came to know from some other sources that no production
environment will have exchange on vmware.
Cheers,
Shivaraj

[Andy David {MVP}]

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:46:09 +0000 (UTC), Niclas Eriksson

Post by Niclas Eriksson
Hello shivaraj,
We have almost every server virstulized in VmWare ESX and don't see any problems.
We don't have all the Exchange servers virtual but all the FE servers are
VM's and one BE server, no cluster though so I can't say anything about that.
But be sure you have performance enough. For instance we have all our DC's
as VM's, haven't seen any problems.

Its not supported in production however.

Post by Niclas Eriksson
/Niclas

Post by shivaraj

Post by Leezy
so... does this means its a "BIG NO" for Cluster on VM Server?
but, every one is moving into VM now days ...

Post by Oliver Moazzezi [MVP]
I know someone that installed it into production. Total horror story
on what this company did. Not only were the cluster nodes
virtualised, they hosted multiple VM's on the actual servers that
had the cluster node images on them..
Suffice to say it was total s**t, and I would have fired whoever it
was that designed it and signed it off for production :-)
Dev and Test labs only!!
Oliver- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Thanks for your inputs.
Even I came to know from some other sources that no production
environment will have exchange on vmware.
Cheers,
Shivaraj

[Niclas Eriksson]

Hello Andy David {MVP},

That's correct. You need to be able to recreate any problems on a physical
machine. Stupid as it sounds but that's life. When will MS fix that I wonder?
How can they not support such a widely spread VM? VmWare is by far the most
common VM plattform and in my eyes much more stable and reliable than MS VM.
But I can understand it from a MS point of view, they want their hypervizor
to be the largest asap so it's easier for them just to say that they don't
support VmWare or other hypervizors other than MS.

A bit off topic, but anyway.. :-)

/Niclas

Post by Andy David {MVP}
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:46:09 +0000 (UTC), Niclas Eriksson

Post by Niclas Eriksson
Hello shivaraj,
We have almost every server virstulized in VmWare ESX and don't see
any problems. We don't have all the Exchange servers virtual but all
the FE servers are VM's and one BE server, no cluster though so I
can't say anything about that. But be sure you have performance
enough. For instance we have all our DC's as VM's, haven't seen any
problems.

Its not supported in production however.

Post by Niclas Eriksson
/Niclas

Post by shivaraj

Post by Leezy
so... does this means its a "BIG NO" for Cluster on VM Server?
but, every one is moving into VM now days ...

Post by Oliver Moazzezi [MVP]
I know someone that installed it into production. Total horror
story on what this company did. Not only were the cluster nodes
virtualised, they hosted multiple VM's on the actual servers that
had the cluster node images on them..
Suffice to say it was total s**t, and I would have fired whoever
it was that designed it and signed it off for production :-)
Dev and Test labs only!!
Oliver- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Thanks for your inputs.
Even I came to know from some other sources that no production
environment will have exchange on vmware.
Cheers,
Shivaraj

[Andy David {MVP}]

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:07:05 +0000 (UTC), Niclas Eriksson

Post by Niclas Eriksson
Hello Andy David {MVP},
That's correct. You need to be able to recreate any problems on a physical
machine. Stupid as it sounds but that's life. When will MS fix that I wonder?
How can they not support such a widely spread VM? VmWare is by far the most
common VM plattform and in my eyes much more stable and reliable than MS VM.
But I can understand it from a MS point of view, they want their hypervizor
to be the largest asap so it's easier for them just to say that they don't
support VmWare or other hypervizors other than MS.

Well, remember , at one time they didnt support Sybari AV on Exchange
either. Then they bought the company. :P

Post by Niclas Eriksson
A bit off topic, but anyway.. :-)
/Niclas

Post by Andy David {MVP}
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:46:09 +0000 (UTC), Niclas Eriksson

Post by Niclas Eriksson
Hello shivaraj,
We have almost every server virstulized in VmWare ESX and don't see
any problems. We don't have all the Exchange servers virtual but all
the FE servers are VM's and one BE server, no cluster though so I
can't say anything about that. But be sure you have performance
enough. For instance we have all our DC's as VM's, haven't seen any
problems.

Its not supported in production however.

Post by Niclas Eriksson
/Niclas

Post by shivaraj

Post by Leezy
so... does this means its a "BIG NO" for Cluster on VM Server?
but, every one is moving into VM now days ...

Post by Oliver Moazzezi [MVP]
I know someone that installed it into production. Total horror
story on what this company did. Not only were the cluster nodes
virtualised, they hosted multiple VM's on the actual servers that
had the cluster node images on them..
Suffice to say it was total s**t, and I would have fired whoever
it was that designed it and signed it off for production :-)
Dev and Test labs only!!
Oliver- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Thanks for your inputs.
Even I came to know from some other sources that no production
environment will have exchange on vmware.
Cheers,
Shivaraj

[Niclas Eriksson]

Hello Andy David {MVP},
LOL, yeah, that's right.. :-)

/Niclas

Post by Andy David {MVP}
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:07:05 +0000 (UTC), Niclas Eriksson

Post by Niclas Eriksson
Hello Andy David {MVP},
That's correct. You need to be able to recreate any problems on a
physical machine. Stupid as it sounds but that's life. When will MS
fix that I wonder? How can they not support such a widely spread VM?
VmWare is by far the most common VM plattform and in my eyes much
more stable and reliable than MS VM. But I can understand it from a
MS point of view, they want their hypervizor to be the largest asap
so it's easier for them just to say that they don't support VmWare or
other hypervizors other than MS.

Well, remember , at one time they didnt support Sybari AV on Exchange
either. Then they bought the company. :P

Post by Niclas Eriksson
A bit off topic, but anyway.. :-)
/Niclas

Post by Andy David {MVP}
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:46:09 +0000 (UTC), Niclas Eriksson

Post by Niclas Eriksson
Hello shivaraj,
We have almost every server virstulized in VmWare ESX and don't see
any problems. We don't have all the Exchange servers virtual but
all the FE servers are VM's and one BE server, no cluster though so
I can't say anything about that. But be sure you have performance
enough. For instance we have all our DC's as VM's, haven't seen any
problems.

Its not supported in production however.

Post by Niclas Eriksson
/Niclas

Post by shivaraj

Post by Leezy
so... does this means its a "BIG NO" for Cluster on VM Server?
but, every one is moving into VM now days ...

Post by Oliver Moazzezi [MVP]
I know someone that installed it into production. Total horror
story on what this company did. Not only were the cluster nodes
virtualised, they hosted multiple VM's on the actual servers
that had the cluster node images on them..
Suffice to say it was total s**t, and I would have fired whoever
it was that designed it and signed it off for production :-)
Dev and Test labs only!!
Oliver- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Thanks for your inputs.
Even I came to know from some other sources that no production
environment will have exchange on vmware.
Cheers,
Shivaraj